Comments on: Courtship & Predestination http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/ making courtship work in the real world Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:28:48 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: DB http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-161 DB Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:26:46 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-161 Ruth would not have been bound to Boaz had she not given him the impetus to redeem the ancestral land of his relative (which he clearly did b/c it was the way Ruth, not because of his relative's inheritance). Ruth would not have been bound to Boaz had she not given him the impetus to redeem the ancestral land of his relative (which he clearly did b/c it was the way Ruth, not because of his relative's inheritance).

]]> By: Vaughn Ohlman http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-158 Vaughn Ohlman Sun, 04 Jul 2010 07:12:10 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-158 >>God has already revealed plenty about courtship and His soverignty, in my Book.<br><br>One hopes you mean 'in His book' ;) >>God has already revealed plenty about courtship and His soverignty, in my Book.

One hopes you mean 'in His book' ;)

]]> By: Vaughn Ohlman http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Vaughn Ohlman Sun, 04 Jul 2010 07:11:07 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-157 >>Esther and Ruth both took an active role in winning the heart of “their man.” <br><br>Ummmm.. but what does this have to do with courtship? Esther was already literally married to 'her man'... and Ruth was bound by the law to take whichever male relative was willing to redeem the land. Neither one 'courted' at all.... until after they were already bound in relationship to the man. >>Esther and Ruth both took an active role in winning the heart of “their man.”

Ummmm.. but what does this have to do with courtship? Esther was already literally married to 'her man'… and Ruth was bound by the law to take whichever male relative was willing to redeem the land. Neither one 'courted' at all…. until after they were already bound in relationship to the man.

]]> By: thronroom http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-146 thronroom Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:11:13 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-146 Hi,<br>How about finding Love,that is the only thing that never had a beginning.Hate had a beginning therfore it will end.I think that is why in Western culture you present your wife to be with a ring,it speaks of something that never had a beginning.<br><br>TR Hi,
How about finding Love,that is the only thing that never had a beginning.Hate had a beginning therfore it will end.I think that is why in Western culture you present your wife to be with a ring,it speaks of something that never had a beginning.

TR

]]> By: Daniel B http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-128 Daniel B Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:23:20 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-128 Thank you Cynthia. Too often the church acts like women are supposed to try and be unavailable, with the excuse that "It's the man's job to initiate, so he should get pursue you anyway"<br><br>Well, I definite agree men should get over themselves, stop worrying about rejection, put their identity in Christ's love and not whether a woman loves him or not, and pursue SOMEONE - but why you? If you act unavailable and another women makes it obvious that a relationship is important to her and she is ready for one....<br><br>Captivating puts this a lot better than I am putting it now.... Thank you Cynthia. Too often the church acts like women are supposed to try and be unavailable, with the excuse that “It's the man's job to initiate, so he should get pursue you anyway”

Well, I definite agree men should get over themselves, stop worrying about rejection, put their identity in Christ's love and not whether a woman loves him or not, and pursue SOMEONE – but why you? If you act unavailable and another women makes it obvious that a relationship is important to her and she is ready for one….

Captivating puts this a lot better than I am putting it now….

]]> By: Joshua http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-116 Joshua Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:58:50 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-116 Sorry for the double post. The link below does not work.<br><br><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10:13-17&version=NASB" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom...</a> Sorry for the double post. The link below does not work.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom...

]]> By: Joshua http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-115 Joshua Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:57:55 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-115 I appreciate the good material found on this website. But I did want to bring up something that I can see has been brought up below (by Kurt). <br><br>Even if people are predestined to faith, there is still the need for the gospel to be preached; see Romans 10:13-17 (<a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%252010:13-17&version=NASB" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom...</a>). Why? Because if it has been predestined that they will believe, then it has been predestined that someone will preach the word to them.<br><br>The same goes for marriage. Yes, God has determined our spouse - but we still have to find her and pursue her. I appreciate the good material found on this website. But I did want to bring up something that I can see has been brought up below (by Kurt).

Even if people are predestined to faith, there is still the need for the gospel to be preached; see Romans 10:13-17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom...). Why? Because if it has been predestined that they will believe, then it has been predestined that someone will preach the word to them.

The same goes for marriage. Yes, God has determined our spouse – but we still have to find her and pursue her.

]]> By: seancassidy http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-100 seancassidy Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:39:02 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-100 Hey everyone! I'm new to this group and I have not read any of the reviews yet (i intend to as soon as i have a moment to breath) But I have a few thoughts on this so let me know if you all agree. I don't believe that God predestines your wife for you as i know I could go out right now and marry a friend. However I do believe that some people will be a better match as a spouse than another. For example, someone who is passionate about overseas missions needs a girl that will support and preferably have the same passion. All throughout scripture, God has said that he will honor a righteous man. He also says that if we seek the Lord’s will of the Lord than he will give us the desires of our hearts. Marriage is great in Gods eye so a good spouse is a desire that I believe God is willing to give but not on our time AND if were willing to wait for the right one. What does waiting mean? It means not getting into relationships with just anyone, but more importantly, making your service to God more of a focus than finding a spouse. To often people make a spouse so great of a focus that they don’t end up serving God as much as they could in there single years. But that does not mean we cannot look and actively pursue a spouse. When Abraham was old he sent his servant to find his son a wife. That servant went out and Prayed for God to show him who the wife was. But still notice it all had to do with seeking Gods desire and not our own. (If you’re interested in reading this passage if scripture, which I recommend, it’s: Genesis 24) I am 21 and have never gotten into a relationship before as I am waiting for God to direct me to the right girl and I know he will bring the right one. To end, I believe that our active role is to seek God and then God will show use who is the best match, and then when we find that spouse we are to still keep God as first but we are to pursue that spouse to win him/her over as that’s the way God created use. (know what are the roles in the pursuit process is a whole other topic). Thanks for reading my thoughts and let me know what you think. Hey everyone! I'm new to this group and I have not read any of the reviews yet (i intend to as soon as i have a moment to breath) But I have a few thoughts on this so let me know if you all agree. I don't believe that God predestines your wife for you as i know I could go out right now and marry a friend. However I do believe that some people will be a better match as a spouse than another. For example, someone who is passionate about overseas missions needs a girl that will support and preferably have the same passion. All throughout scripture, God has said that he will honor a righteous man. He also says that if we seek the Lord’s will of the Lord than he will give us the desires of our hearts. Marriage is great in Gods eye so a good spouse is a desire that I believe God is willing to give but not on our time AND if were willing to wait for the right one. What does waiting mean? It means not getting into relationships with just anyone, but more importantly, making your service to God more of a focus than finding a spouse. To often people make a spouse so great of a focus that they don’t end up serving God as much as they could in there single years. But that does not mean we cannot look and actively pursue a spouse. When Abraham was old he sent his servant to find his son a wife. That servant went out and Prayed for God to show him who the wife was. But still notice it all had to do with seeking Gods desire and not our own. (If you’re interested in reading this passage if scripture, which I recommend, it’s: Genesis 24) I am 21 and have never gotten into a relationship before as I am waiting for God to direct me to the right girl and I know he will bring the right one. To end, I believe that our active role is to seek God and then God will show use who is the best match, and then when we find that spouse we are to still keep God as first but we are to pursue that spouse to win him/her over as that’s the way God created use. (know what are the roles in the pursuit process is a whole other topic). Thanks for reading my thoughts and let me know what you think.

]]> By: ggmmolly http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-82 ggmmolly Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:02:31 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-82 To paraphrase Matt Chandler, the person that I will marry will be "just a boy" (not in the "he's not a man" sense, but in the "he's just a male" sense). I could marry any number of Godly men and be really happy. There's a stigma in our society that says that there's only "one" person out there for each other person. That we could marry the "wrong person". This is why so many get divorced. Here's what I'm trying to say: Is there "one" person out there for me? No. But there IS only ONE person that I will marry, and God has predestined it that I marry this person (because, in His eyes, He sees past, present and future... it's already happened! No "open theology" here). <br><br>So, application: For me, I have found that it is MY job as a woman to simply seek the Lord and fall in love with Him first and foremost. I am to wait - but this waiting is not passive. It is ACTIVE, trusting that the Lord will provide in His timing. For men, they are to do the same, trusting that at the right time the Lord will provide as well - only, they are to be the pursuers. <br><br>This may be one of those things that goes "without saying"... but I think that it is worth saying anyway. Good discussion! To paraphrase Matt Chandler, the person that I will marry will be “just a boy” (not in the “he's not a man” sense, but in the “he's just a male” sense). I could marry any number of Godly men and be really happy. There's a stigma in our society that says that there's only “one” person out there for each other person. That we could marry the “wrong person”. This is why so many get divorced. Here's what I'm trying to say: Is there “one” person out there for me? No. But there IS only ONE person that I will marry, and God has predestined it that I marry this person (because, in His eyes, He sees past, present and future… it's already happened! No “open theology” here).

So, application: For me, I have found that it is MY job as a woman to simply seek the Lord and fall in love with Him first and foremost. I am to wait – but this waiting is not passive. It is ACTIVE, trusting that the Lord will provide in His timing. For men, they are to do the same, trusting that at the right time the Lord will provide as well – only, they are to be the pursuers.

This may be one of those things that goes “without saying”… but I think that it is worth saying anyway. Good discussion!

]]> By: caiorodrigues http://www.practicalcourtship.com/2009/courtship-predestination/comment-page-1/#comment-81 caiorodrigues Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:35:49 +0000 http://www.practicalcourtship.com/?p=106#comment-81 I couldn't agree more, Sarah. Good stuff. :) I couldn't agree more, Sarah. Good stuff. :)

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